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Akio Hiramoto x Takumi Yamazaki discussion

1. The Big Overarching Theme

How can a person live true to themselves,

with motivation,

and with lightness?

That's what this is about.

But it's not just a simple

"stay positive and try hard" message.

It goes much deeper —

"Why do people get angry?"

"Why do people care so much about what others think?"

"Why can't we get motivated?"

"What is self-axis, really?"

"What does it truly mean to live freely?"

— all explored through the lens of psychology, coaching, spirituality, body awareness, film, AI, and gut health.

2. Human Growth Has Three Stages

Mr. Hiramoto breaks human growth into three broad stages.

Stage 1：The Counseling zone

This is when the heart is in the negative.

For example:

"I can't do it"

"I'll just fail anyway"

"I don't even know what I want"

"People scare me"

"I have no confidence"

"I'm still carrying wounds from the past"

At this stage, jumping straight to dreams and goals doesn't get you very far.

Because inside, there's still:

Wounds Anger Sadness Anxiety Shame Resignation

What's needed here isn't pushing harder.

First, it's:

Noticing your real feelings

Working through past wounds

Stopping the self-blame

Stage 2: The Coaching Zone

This is the stage of moving from zero toward the positive.

Here, the important questions become:

"What do you want to become?"

"What do you want to create?"

"What kind of future do you want to build?"

But within this coaching zone,

there's an early phase and a later phase.

Early Phase of Coaching：The stage of wanting recognition

At first, it's okay to push yourself because:

"I want to be praised"

"I want to be acknowledged"

"I want to be evaluated"

"I want that person to think I'm amazing"

For a middle schooler, it might look like:

I want my teacher to praise me

I want my parents to acknowledge me

I want my friends to think I'm cool

I want to make the starting lineup

There's nothing wrong with that. People often first build confidence through being recognized by others.

Later phase of the Coaching Zone: The self-axis stage

But if you're only ever chasing other people's opinions, it starts to become a struggle.

Because:

Praise → elation

Criticism → deflation

Good numbers → relief

Bad numbers → anxiety

Your inner world gets tossed around by external forces.

What you need next is:

The ability to choose what truly matters to you — not what others think of you.

That's your self-axis.

Stage 3: The Zone/Flow Zone

Beyond that lies the Zone / Flow zone.

This is where you've moved past

"I want to be recognized"

"I want to win"

"I want to be evaluated"

and you're simply in the zone. (immersed)

Like:

You were drawing and lost all sense of time

You were playing a sport and your body just moved on its own

You were talking and the words just came naturally

You were playing music and felt like you disappeared

In this state, even the sense of "I am doing this" fades — it's more like: the action is just happening.

Hiramoto-san connected this to the Heart Sutra's "form is emptiness, emptiness is form."

Simply put:

There and not there at the same time.

The boundary between self and world becomes thin.

3. Self-axis Isn't Found "After You've Been Praised Enough"

This is one of the key points.

Many people think:

"Once I'm more successful, I'll have confidence"

"Once I get more praise, I'll build my self-axis"

"Once I'm more recognized, I'll believe in myself"

But in the conversation between Yamazaki-san and Hiramoto-san, that's not quite right.

True self-axis isn't born because you were recognized — it's born in the moment you choose your own path even when you're not.

For example

You put something out there and everyone praised you.

In that moment, "Okay, I'm on the right track" — that's a natural feeling.

But if that's all it is, the next criticism will knock you over.

Whereas:

"I wasn't recognized this time"

"But I believe this matters"

"So I'll keep going"

— when you can think that, your true self-axis grows.

In other words:

Self-axis isn't tested when you're approved of — it's tested when you're not.

4. Maslo's Hierarchy Makes It Clear

The conversation also touched on Maslow's hierarchy of needs.

Human needs build from the bottom up:

1. Psychological Needs

Eating

Sleep

Using the bathroom

Rest

The most basic level.

No matter how much money you have, if you can't sleep or eat, you're not happy.

2. Safety Needs

A place to live

A reasonable amount of money

A job

A sense of security

In the Showa era, this need was enormous.

A washing machine

A TV

A fridge

A car

Stabilizing daily life was the priority.

3、Belonging Needs

3. Belonging Needs

I want community

I want a place where I belong

I don't want to be disliked

I don't want to be left out

In today's world, this need is very strong.

How am I seen on social media?

Am I standing out in my group?

Do I have a place where I belong?

These are the things people worry about.

4. Esteem Needs

I want to be recognized

I want people to think I'm impressive

I want to be evaluated

I want followers

I want results

This is where people hustle.

But if you keep chasing recognition, there's no finish line.

More recognition

More results

More admiration

And you're always left feeling like it's never enough.

5. Self-Actualization

Only here does

"what do I want to do"

start to matter more than

"what do others think of me."

6. Self-Transcendence

Beyond that is self-transcendence.

This is the stage where it's no longer just about "my success" —

it's about "for others,"

"for the world,"

"for all life."

In Yamazaki-san's words:

a world where you move beyond self-axis, and the boundary between self and others becomes thin.

5. The Real Meaning of Self-Worth

The conversation also included an important point about self-worth.

Many people think self-worth means:

"Believing you're amazing"

"Being supremely confident"

"Having no weaknesses"

But that's not actually what it is.

Self-worth is: the capacity to accept yourself — flaws and all — as you are.

Example: Being told your handwriting is messy

Suppose someone says to you,

"Your handwriting is really messy."

A person with high self-worth says:

"Yeah, I know, my handwriting is terrible. Could you write it for me?"

That's because they've accepted their weakness.

But a person with low self-worth snaps back: "I was in a hurry, what do you expect!"

That's because deep down, it bothers them too.

Even Successful People can have low self worth

Successful people can have low self-worth too.

Because they're using their success as armor.

"I have to be the impressive one, or I'm not okay."

"I have to be the one getting results, or I'm scared."

"I can't let anyone see me when I'm weak."

When you're like that, even a small criticism can feel like it might break you.

Truly strong people are:

People who can show their weakness

People who can own their flaws

People who can forgive themselves for not being perfect

6. Behind Anger is Your Real Truth

One of the most important parts of this conversation was about emotions.

Hiramoto-san said: Behind anger is your real wish.

Anger is a Surface Emotion

Anger is what shows up on the outside first.

But underneath it, there's almost always something else:

Sadness

Loneliness

Anxiety

Worry

Frustration

The desire to be understood

The desire to be recognized

The desire to be loved

The paprika and bell pepper example

A wife asked her husband to buy paprika.

He came home with a bell pepper.

She gets angry.

On the surface: "I said paprika — why did you get a bell pepper?!"

But deep down:

"I'm cooking while I'm busy too"

"I just wanted him to actually listen to me"

"I wanted us to work together"

"I wanted to feel taken care of"

The real issue isn't the bell pepper.

The real issue is: I wanted you to see how hard things are for me.

7. Let the Anger Out, and the Real Truth Appears

If you keep suppressing anger, you can't reach the truth underneath it.

So first, you need to let the anger out somewhere safe.

But here's the key — You can't direct it at the other person.

Safe ways to let it out:

Go to karaoke alone and scream

Punch a pillow

Write out your anger on paper

Clench your fists and feel it in your body

Let it out in your car

Release the emotion alone in your room

When you do this, the real truth underneath the anger starts to surface.

The words underneath the anger:

The words underneath anger:

I just wanted to be understood

I just wanted to be recognized

I just wanted some help

I just wanted to be treated with care

I just wanted to be loved

I was scared

I was sad

When you can see all that, the way you communicate with others changes.

8. From "You Messages" to "I Messages"

When people are angry, they tend to say:

"You're the problem"

"Why are you always like this?"

"You just don't get it"

These are called You Messages.

And they're a way of blaming the other person.

Switching to I Messages

An I Message is:

"I felt this way"

"I would be happy if you could do this"

"I was sad"

"I was worried"

— sharing it as your own feeling.

Example

Wrong: "I said paprika — why did you come home with a bell pepper?!"

Right: "Thank you for going to buy it. But honestly, I was cooking while juggling everything, and I just really wanted to feel heard. I wanted to feel like we were in it together."

Said this way, the other person can actually receive it.

9. How to see someone who's angry

The conversation also had an interesting take on how to view angry people.

If you see an angry person as "someone attacking me," you get hurt.

But if you see them as "this person's heart is erupting right now," you can stay a little calmer.

The Mt Fuji Exercise

Imagine the angry person as Mt. Fuji.

Mt. Fuji is erupting.

But the eruption isn't aimed at you — it's going upward.

When you picture it that way, the feeling of "I'm being attacked" softens a little.

The Rescue Cat Metaphor

Hiramoto-san compared angry people to rescue cats.

Rescue cats, even when you try to be gentle with them, will sometimes hiss at you.

But that's because they were hurt in the past.

People are the same.

An angry person might be someone who was hurt a long time ago.

When you see it that way,

"Maybe this person is angry because they're hurting"

becomes something you can actually feel.

10. Letting Emotions Out Is Practice for Controlling Them

Some people think letting emotions out makes you more emotional.

Actually, it's the opposite.

The more consciously you can let emotions out, the more you can control them.

The leg -bouncing example

Someone who bounces their leg unconsciously can't stop even when they try — because they don't notice they're doing it.

But someone who bounces their leg consciously can stop the moment someone says "okay, stop."

Emotions work the same way.

If anger is unconscious, you can't stop it.

But if you can consciously feel and express your anger, you can also stop it when you need to.

11. Emotions in the Showa era vs. Today

In the Showa era, emotions came out more openly.

More people got visibly angry.

More people laughed out loud.

People did victory tosses.

Emotional expression was bigger.

But in today's world, showing emotion can get labeled:

Harassment

Being tone-deaf

Causing trouble

Scary

So a lot of people are stuffing their emotions down.

But keep doing that, and they explode somewhere else.

For example: Taking work anger out on family

Taking frustration with parents out on children

Taking anger at a boss out on subordinates

Turning real sadness into attacks on other people

This is the danger.

That's why, especially now, practicing how to let emotions out safely matters more than ever.

12. The Danger of Spiritual Addiction and Flow Addiction

The conversation also touched on spirituality and enlightenment.

The Zone / Flow and Oneness experiences feel incredible.

But trying to jump there without first cleaning up real-world issues is dangerous.

たとえば

At a weekend seminar, you feel:

"We are all One"

"Everything is love"

"Just be here now" — and you leave feeling wonderful.

But Monday morning comes, and there's:

A difficult boss

Family issues

Financial anxiety

Work stress

— all back again.

Nothing in real life has changed.

The Order Matters

First, work through emotions and the past in the counseling zone.

Then, get real life in order in the coaching zone.

Then, move into Zone / Flow.

That's the right sequence.

If you chase enlightenment without laying that groundwork, it risks becoming just escapism.

13. The Deep Theme of the Film Takumi is making "The Motivation Switch"

Takumi Yamazaki-san's film is, in a way, the symbol of this entire conversation.

The setting is a bar in Shibuya.

Three ghosts who died in a gas explosion 25 years ago.

Unable to pass on, they've been there ever since.

A divine messenger appears and says: "If you can light a fire under a human being, you can move on."

The fascinating part

These three ghosts are people who, in their own lives, couldn't get motivated.

In other words: People who couldn't find their own motivation trying to motivate others.

That's deep. Because when you try to help someone, you end up facing your own past.

The humans that show up

A child who won't study

A girl obsessed with her fandom who avoids real relationships

Someone coasting on the restaurant passed down from their parents

A housewife searching for herself

Someone who got hurt because they actually got motivated once

Someone who beats themselves up for not being motivated

Each one represents a struggle that's very real in modern life.

The Essence of the film

This isn't a film that shouts

"Get motivated!"

It's really about:

People who can't get motivated have their reasons

People who lost their motivation have a past

Trying to light someone else's fire reveals your own wounds

By trying to save someone, you end up saving yourself

14. AI

AI also came up near the end.

AI is becoming something that supports human thinking and work.

For example:

Writing

Practicing English

Coming up with recipes from what's in the fridge

Organizing your thoughts

Having something to think out loud with

Building your own personal AI

By feeding in past writing and lecture data — the way Yamazaki-san and Hiramoto-san do — you can create an AI that's almost like a second version of yourself.

This is one of the big directions things are heading.

15. Gut Health

Yamazaki-san also talked about gut health.

The key point: The gut is be connected to emotion and intuition.

Gut Feeling

In English, there's the phrase "gut feeling."

It means intuition — literally, "a feeling you sense in your stomach."

Yamazaki-san believes that "the unconscious," "intuition," "emotion," and "gut health" may all be connected.

The idea that gut health relates to how you live

The idea that gut health relates to how you live

When your gut is out of balance:

Your mood drops

Your judgment clouds

You can't get motivated

You become prone to anxiety

Your physical health suffers

Conversely, when your gut is healthy:

You feel energized

Your mood stabilizes

Your intuition sharpens

It becomes easier to take action

The choices you make in life may shift

Yamazaki-san puts it this way: Gut care might be a biological form of separating from your parents.

The idea being that by working on gut health, you can start to shift the physical and emotional patterns inherited from your parents.

So: Before fertility work, do gut work.

Because the blueprint for your gut environment is passed down from your mother.

16. The Overall Conclusion

This entire conversation can be summed up like this.

First, people need to notice their own wounds and emotions.

Next, they need to stop being pulled around by others' opinions and start choosing what truly matters to them.

And ultimately, they begin to loosen their grip on the very idea of "self" — moving closer to a state of being simply, wholly absorbed in life.

To get there, what matters is:

Not rejecting anger

Not suppressing sadness

Accepting weakness

Letting emotions out without directing them at others

Finding your real truth

Building your self-axis

Getting real life in order

Moving toward what absorbs you completely

One final line to wrap it all up

Motivation isn't something you force out of yourself.

Real motivation comes naturally — when you've accepted your emotions, noticed your real truth, freed yourself a little from others' opinions, and reconnected with what you truly care about.

This conversation isn't about "try harder" — it's an invitation to reconnect with the real truth living deeper inside you.

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